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	<title>Comments on: Pre-game Lines and Veils discussions</title>
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		<title>By: Seth Ben-Ezra</title>
		<link>http://greatwolf.blogpeoria.com/2008/04/23/pre-game-lines-and-veils-discussions/comment-page-1/#comment-39284</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Ben-Ezra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adiel,

That&#039;s exactly what I mean.

Now, to be clear, I&#039;m not saying that players shouldn&#039;t pipe up at the beginning of the game if they *know* that they have potential trouble areas. Julia gives a good example in her AP recording. She didn&#039;t want people to be using racially derogatory language, because it would be offensive to her. (Note how I tiptoe around the specific word, eh?) Given the nature of the game and the likelihood that this would be an area that would come up, it makes sense to me to say this at the beginning of the game.

Another factor in all this has to do with the Social Contract of the game. Once again I cite &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fairgame-rpgs.com/comment.php?entry=32&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I Will Not Abandon You vs. No One Gets Hurt&lt;/a&gt;. Depending on the group&#039;s purpose, a Line or Veil may be &quot;We don&#039;t go there at all&quot;, or it may be &quot;We will only go there for good reason, understanding that we are pushing someone&#039;s buttons.&quot; Having a formal pre-game Lines and Veils discussion can undermine this second option, because it has already been established that these areas are off-limits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adiel,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly what I mean.</p>
<p>Now, to be clear, I&#8217;m not saying that players shouldn&#8217;t pipe up at the beginning of the game if they *know* that they have potential trouble areas. Julia gives a good example in her AP recording. She didn&#8217;t want people to be using racially derogatory language, because it would be offensive to her. (Note how I tiptoe around the specific word, eh?) Given the nature of the game and the likelihood that this would be an area that would come up, it makes sense to me to say this at the beginning of the game.</p>
<p>Another factor in all this has to do with the Social Contract of the game. Once again I cite <a href="http://www.fairgame-rpgs.com/comment.php?entry=32" rel="nofollow">I Will Not Abandon You vs. No One Gets Hurt</a>. Depending on the group&#8217;s purpose, a Line or Veil may be &#8220;We don&#8217;t go there at all&#8221;, or it may be &#8220;We will only go there for good reason, understanding that we are pushing someone&#8217;s buttons.&#8221; Having a formal pre-game Lines and Veils discussion can undermine this second option, because it has already been established that these areas are off-limits.</p>
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		<title>By: Adiel</title>
		<link>http://greatwolf.blogpeoria.com/2008/04/23/pre-game-lines-and-veils-discussions/comment-page-1/#comment-39279</link>
		<dc:creator>Adiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That makes a lot of sense. Especially because in real life relationships we don&#039;t have the option of a Lines and Veils discussion. We have to feel our way with other people. The idea of establishing L&amp;V ahead of time feels like yet another way we try to simplify relationships and dumb life down for the typical person. It sure would be easier if everyone walked around with their likes and dislikes and emotions written out in detail and pasted to their forehead. Hardly anyone takes the time to be aware of others and read into their words and actions.
Speaking of reading into things, I&#039;m sure I&#039;ve taken this thought a tad too far, but hey, it&#039;s just been that sort of a day. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That makes a lot of sense. Especially because in real life relationships we don&#8217;t have the option of a Lines and Veils discussion. We have to feel our way with other people. The idea of establishing L&amp;V ahead of time feels like yet another way we try to simplify relationships and dumb life down for the typical person. It sure would be easier if everyone walked around with their likes and dislikes and emotions written out in detail and pasted to their forehead. Hardly anyone takes the time to be aware of others and read into their words and actions.<br />
Speaking of reading into things, I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ve taken this thought a tad too far, but hey, it&#8217;s just been that sort of a day. <img src='http://greatwolf.blogpeoria.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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